tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post3129817759434870504..comments2024-03-26T00:16:48.402-07:00Comments on Our Founding Truth: Was Rev. Samuel West Orthodox? Part DeuxOur Founding Truthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01072993191810565535noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-17335515092537187492011-10-26T17:12:16.206-07:002011-10-26T17:12:16.206-07:00If we leave Christianity to the States, those hand...If we leave Christianity to the States, those handful of skeptics will have little to do. Moreover, the Continental Congress wrote in Orthodox terms (as we have previously discussed), not to mention, the vast majority of Virginia Jeffersonians were Trinitarian, which nullifies what TJ believed. <br /><br />As to James Madison, it is more than fair to quote him while a public servant than in Our Founding Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01072993191810565535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-57676163764245286872011-10-26T16:20:50.919-07:002011-10-26T16:20:50.919-07:00As stated, I think John Adams' thought is inco...As stated, I think John Adams' thought is incoherent. I'll stick with the public Adams who issued the 1798 Thxgiving proclamation. I find little evidence anybody really cared what John Adams thought---not even Jefferson, if you read their letters. Jefferson tends to ignore the content of Adams' babblings.<br /><br />I do know Abigail Adams endorsed Channing, and she seems more Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-57658366277310373362011-10-26T11:12:51.186-07:002011-10-26T11:12:51.186-07:00but during his presidency in the then-capital of P...<i>but during his presidency in the then-capital of Philadelphia, self-proclaimed unitarian John Adams never set foot in it.</i><br /><br />Adams never set foot in it, but Adams adherred to Priestley's theology. He wrote TJ how he missed Priestley. <br /><br />Remember from my AC days, Adams put Franklin in the same train as Bolingbroke and Blount? Both those guys were rationalists, as TJ wasOur Founding Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01072993191810565535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-59867367539514574322011-10-25T15:53:12.753-07:002011-10-25T15:53:12.753-07:00Well, I think you highlight that unitarianism was ...Well, I think you highlight that unitarianism was all over the map, esp until it got its capital "U" in the early 1800s.<br /><br />I'll just share some opinions and factoids I've run across; do with them as you will.<br /><br />The formal theologies are covered here<br /><br />http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/trinity/unitarianism.html<br /><br />and rather supports my idea Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-81582080705624478092011-10-25T11:27:45.180-07:002011-10-25T11:27:45.180-07:00If you don't claim some of the framers were un...If you don't claim some of the framers were unitarians--not Orthodox--you are claiming they were Arians, and there is no evidence for that. The framers never wrote they were Arians, and George Washington was a simple man who did not decipher his religion, but, instead, as James Madison wrote, "took it as he found it." <br /><br />Arianism believes Christ was created, and not the Our Founding Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01072993191810565535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-69029813501285155982011-10-24T21:42:10.649-07:002011-10-24T21:42:10.649-07:00Jim, I think that unitarianism in the Founding era...Jim, I think that unitarianism in the Founding era was very unfocused, and the only thing they had in common was a reservation about Jesus being God.<br /><br />Tellya the truth, I think it was more a theological fad, an outgrowth of the revolt against the Roman church's "magisterial" authority about interpreting the Bible.<br /><br />If you're actually interested in the Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-54637176618431422172011-10-24T09:37:15.843-07:002011-10-24T09:37:15.843-07:00Tom,
Why do you quote Channing, then immediately ...Tom,<br /><br />Why do you quote Channing, then immediately quote this: "The unitarian Christians of the Founding era?"Our Founding Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01072993191810565535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-74514850699737705342011-10-22T13:09:32.587-07:002011-10-22T13:09:32.587-07:00Channing, 1814:
The word UNITARIANISM, as denotin...Channing, 1814:<br /><br /><i>The word UNITARIANISM, as denoting this opposition to Trinitarianism, undoubtedly expresses the character of a considerable part of the ministers of this town and its vicinity, and the commonwealth...We both agreed in our late conference, that a majority of our brethren believe, <b>that Jesus Christ is more than man</b>, that he existed before the world, that he Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-57287370765058287262011-10-18T08:59:20.035-07:002011-10-18T08:59:20.035-07:00I do not ever recalling unitarians using the words...I do not ever recalling unitarians using the words redeemer or mediator. Those are Orthodox words connecting justification with the Atonement and His Priesthood. <br /><br />If West were unitarian, he believed Christ only a man, an example of receiving God's mercy given to every man that believes. The Orthodox words West uses imply a different meaning. Moreover, I doubt I am over-shooting theOur Founding Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01072993191810565535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-46679539087096444262011-10-17T23:22:13.222-07:002011-10-17T23:22:13.222-07:00Why would it be illogical for a God-man to be a me...<i>Why would it be illogical for a God-man to be a mediator unto God, as only God can access God, </i><br /><br />Um, no. I am no mediator to meself.<br /><br />As for the rest, I don't visit you to fight, only to hope that you open your mind to investigate further. I think the unitarians calling Jesus the Messiah, Savior and Redeemer is significant. <br /><br />As for Dwight and "Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-89441523765192432422011-10-17T16:03:39.028-07:002011-10-17T16:03:39.028-07:00Why would it be illogical for a God-man to be a me...Why would it be illogical for a God-man to be a mediator unto God, as only God can access God, that no mortal could--or look upon? Jesus said no man has seen the Father but the Son, who has revealed Him. <br /><br />Unitarianism under Channing--not in the 18th century--partook of communion only as a ritual, not as atonement for justification. 18th Century unitarians did not view the atonement wasOur Founding Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01072993191810565535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-64452496613828904532011-10-17T15:40:32.791-07:002011-10-17T15:40:32.791-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Our Founding Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01072993191810565535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-64376804991266018652011-10-17T12:31:28.315-07:002011-10-17T12:31:28.315-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Our Founding Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01072993191810565535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-35067548916712698972011-10-17T12:25:30.274-07:002011-10-17T12:25:30.274-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Our Founding Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01072993191810565535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-71166849362557942962011-10-16T13:43:04.859-07:002011-10-16T13:43:04.859-07:00This..Christ..as our high priest who offered himse...<i>This..Christ..as our high priest who offered himself up to God a sacrifice of atonement for the sins of the world.. he is to be preached up as the only Mediator between God and man..</i><br /><br />This also fits with unitarianism, however. It seems illogical that if Jesus is God Himself, he is also mediator.<br /><br />It seems that unitarianism was split on the Atonement. West explicitly Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.com