tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post6780113744709076836..comments2024-03-26T00:16:48.402-07:00Comments on Our Founding Truth: What Makes a Christian Nation?Our Founding Truthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01072993191810565535noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-14090563148802281972009-08-23T14:51:57.785-07:002009-08-23T14:51:57.785-07:00Per my previous post, Joseph Story was raised in t...Per my previous post, Joseph Story was raised in the Congregational Denomination. Cushing may have been a former Congregationalist as well.Our Founding Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01072993191810565535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-39123854040076151222009-08-23T13:41:59.660-07:002009-08-23T13:41:59.660-07:00Rationalists were a small % by their numbers compa...Rationalists were a small % by their numbers compared to the whole. The majority of High Church Anglican Unitarians were not rationalists, if we include Joseph Story, and William Cushing, to say nothing of the overall majority of Calvinists in the Colonial Period.<br /><br />I believe rationalists, such as: Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson were few and far between. <br /><br />Franklin, himselfOur Founding Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01072993191810565535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-49325863067006231202009-08-23T13:23:29.478-07:002009-08-23T13:23:29.478-07:00The English Puritans were Calvinists, their ancest...The English Puritans were Calvinists, their ancestors having been persecuted by Anglican Monarchists. The High Church Anglicans were the obvious minority when evaluating the total Anglican denomination.<br /><br />Nominal and Rationalistic, then, appear mutually exclusive. Since Calvinists made up the vast majority, the rationalists were a small % in isolated areas of VA, and New England, to say Our Founding Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01072993191810565535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-5392399184743305702009-08-23T09:57:18.899-07:002009-08-23T09:57:18.899-07:00"orthodox" with a small o is basically s..."orthodox" with a small o is basically shorthand for the Nicene Creed -- a lowest common denominator of "orthodoxy" among Roman Catholics, reformed Protestants, Anglican-Episcopalians and the capital O Orthodox Eastern Orthodox Church.<br /><br />When OFT says you could probably count the rationalist Anglicans on one hand, he is engaging in sheer wishful thinking. Huge %s of Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-46365308683760125742009-08-17T13:47:48.681-07:002009-08-17T13:47:48.681-07:00By Orthodox, I'm referring to what the Biblica...By Orthodox, I'm referring to what the Biblical text says. In that case, I can see where the Presbyterians would differ with Catholics and Anglicans.<br /><br />Believe it or not, Calvin's Theology was embraced by many low church Anglicans. Wherever Calvinism went, restricting government, and righteous rebellion followed. He, out of all the Reformers, was more open to resist tyrannical Our Founding Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01072993191810565535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-58914385453980960092009-08-17T13:04:55.353-07:002009-08-17T13:04:55.353-07:00The word "Orthodox" itself presents sema...The word "Orthodox" itself presents semantic problems. No protestants--calvinist, lutheran, episcopalian, whatever-- are "orthodox" according to Roman Catholics. And to eastern orthodox, catholics themselves are not orthodox. <br /><br /> I am not convinced episcopalians were all calvinists (assuming for the sake of argument that calvinists were "orthodox"). ThereJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11567400697675996283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-60254353676358444442009-08-17T09:28:15.649-07:002009-08-17T09:28:15.649-07:00I believe the evidence supports only the smallest ...I believe the evidence supports only the smallest minority of Episcopalians, as well as the other sects, were heterodox. Due to their attendance at the seminaries in training(colleges), which taught Orthodox Christianity. I fear the rationalists could be counted on one hand.<br /><br />Even William and Mary, or Harvard didn't teach rationalism. <br /><br />If the ratifiers took communion, andOur Founding Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01072993191810565535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-12536378175800806892009-08-16T12:43:42.286-07:002009-08-16T12:43:42.286-07:00Most of the leading lights were nominally Episcopa...Most of the leading lights were nominally Episcopalian, though with rationalist views. There were few fire and brimstone types, at least among the leaders. <br /><br />The American Creation posse emphasizes the minority of fundamentalists and calvinist sorts (perhaps a few in the ratifiers)--but that's not really accurate, especially when considering the essentially secular and tolerant Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11567400697675996283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-80820986337355369402009-08-14T08:00:20.228-07:002009-08-14T08:00:20.228-07:00I agree, God is everywhere in Washington D.C., how...I agree, God is everywhere in Washington D.C., however some secularists claim the Christianity of the framers was not Orthodox, but heterodoxy, mixed-in with enlightenment rationalism.Our Founding Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01072993191810565535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-54483948065636206752009-08-13T18:41:47.923-07:002009-08-13T18:41:47.923-07:00I've occasionally touched on the issue of whet...I've occasionally touched on the issue of whether our nation was founded largely by Christians a few times on ScienceBlogs and usually I get a barrage of insults and not much else. Occasionally a few people make some great points. I think you have to be pretty blind not see that this nation was founded with deep Christian heritage. A few days in Washington DC and one can see the evidence all mrobertshttp://www.discerningcitizen.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-59782493474126855212009-08-13T12:27:34.026-07:002009-08-13T12:27:34.026-07:00Also, I'm almost certain a couple of the usual...Also, I'm almost certain a couple of the usual suspects did believe in aspects of Calvinism , such as Madison and Washington believing in Human Depravity.Our Founding Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01072993191810565535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-68218555201640459252009-08-13T12:22:00.717-07:002009-08-13T12:22:00.717-07:00Nearly all the leading Framers were opposed to cal...<i>Nearly all the leading Framers were opposed to calvinist orthodoxy (including the conservatives like Adams)</i>.<br /><br />This is a good point, however I don't see this applying to the majority, and they are what matters. The few outliers get all the play, which is what I question. That three to five guys speak for the rest is unacceptable, when the ratifiers were not heterodox. I'm Our Founding Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01072993191810565535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-17269400971118265372009-08-13T10:13:58.737-07:002009-08-13T10:13:58.737-07:00The majority understood Unitarianism was not part ...<i>The majority understood Unitarianism was not part of the Protestant Reformation, having been kicked to the curb by Luther and Calvin, and forever cast out by the Synod of Dort in 1619. <br />Furthermore, the Reformation denounced all forms of Unitarianism, Arianism, and Socinianism, starting with the Gnostics, which were never considered Christian. </i><br /><br />Nearly all the leading Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11567400697675996283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-4677066492125146812009-08-03T16:14:07.417-07:002009-08-03T16:14:07.417-07:00I don't see being a Christian should stop you ...I don't see being a Christian should stop you from hearing the F word countless times and seeing intense violence.<br /><br />BTW: I think Goodfellas (and the Sopranos), from a traditional moral perspective are a lot more kosher than the Godfather. The Godfather glories the mob and shows them as regal, noble characters. Goodfellas and the Sopranos do the opposite and show the Mafia warts Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-56987698537190721962009-08-01T20:19:09.392-07:002009-08-01T20:19:09.392-07:00When I was living crazy, I saw his movie, Goodfell...When I was living crazy, I saw his movie, Goodfellas. In the movie, there's a character named, Michael Francese. He got out of the mob; thank God, and became a Christian. Now, he speaks to kids all over the country. <br /><br />Michael is an amazing, and awesome guy.Our Founding Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01072993191810565535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-28650204597682489932009-08-01T17:30:04.160-07:002009-08-01T17:30:04.160-07:00Marty is one of my favorite movie makers.Marty is one of my favorite movie makers.Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.com