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So I like the way you are writingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-88744271663568396302009-08-23T15:02:58.143-07:002009-08-23T15:02:58.143-07:00I haven't read much Calvin (except for a few e...I haven't read much Calvin (except for a few excerpts on pre-destination--the "horrible doctrine," or whatever--which it is).<br /><br />Locke I have read. His points on pre-social rights are in 2nd Treatise, and I suspect that was the essential political doctrine for the Jeffersonians and anti-Federalists--not so much for the Hamilton/Adams gang, though Adams quotes Locke as well.Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11567400697675996283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-29393606097214146212009-08-23T14:36:34.273-07:002009-08-23T14:36:34.273-07:00Previously, I had been unaware of the influence of...Previously, I had been unaware of the influence of Calvin and the forming of our Republic, so I will do a post on his influence. <br /><br />I'll start by saying our foremost historian of the founding, George Bancroft in the 19th century, said, "Calvin was the virtual founder of America."<br /><br />I would have never believed it until recently. It is a fact Locke's influence inOur Founding Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01072993191810565535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-73334515498102670212009-08-23T14:20:16.660-07:002009-08-23T14:20:16.660-07:00American Creation's Tom Von Dyke, Mr. Piety, n...American Creation's Tom Von Dyke, Mr. Piety, now suggests the Founding Fathers were following Thomas Aquinas's thoughts on "natural law"--and that Locke just updated Aquinas as well. <br /><br />Heh heh. Rather unlikely. TVD, Mr Piety, forgets that, one, Locke was opposed to the church of Rome. Calvin, and Luther, especially, detested the "Angelic Doctor (I think LutherJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11567400697675996283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-3551834782397199282009-08-21T16:55:30.341-07:002009-08-21T16:55:30.341-07:00Jefferson is important, but there are others more ...Jefferson is important, but there are others more important, like Samuel Adams, Rufus King, and Richard Henry Lee. <br /><br />Both Jeff, and Madison said the most important was the ratifiers, not drafters of instruments, for the ratifying tells us the true intent of the people, and legally makes it law, drafting the Constitution cannot make it Law.Our Founding Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01072993191810565535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-8139264984390456802009-08-21T14:42:11.454-07:002009-08-21T14:42:11.454-07:00Really, the religious beliefs of the signers of th...Really, the religious beliefs of the signers of the DoI, or the ratifiers of the Con. and BoR don't count for much, in the long run. The ratifiers agree to the terms of the contract, more or less, and obviously Madison and Jefferson are sort of calling the shots.<br /><br /><br />I find it interesting that the early abolitionist sentiment mostly derived from the Federalists Hamilton and Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11567400697675996283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-6384132374919978772009-08-21T13:30:41.065-07:002009-08-21T13:30:41.065-07:00I don't doubt Lee attended church, but the bio...I don't doubt Lee attended church, but the bios don't really stress his religious aspects--he sounds like one of the democratic anti-Federalists, with Clinton, P. Henry, etc. (Henry was a biblethumper,><br /><br />Read Meade's second volume. Lee went to church every sunday, and Henry was not a biblethumper. Some in the public thought he was a Deist.Our Founding Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01072993191810565535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-19832793337913661872009-08-21T13:28:22.625-07:002009-08-21T13:28:22.625-07:00Meade's quote below about Patrick Henry is alm...Meade's quote below about Patrick Henry is almost humorous. <br /><br />"It is stated, in an article which I saw some time ago, from the 'Protestant Episcopalian,' and, I presume, from one of you, that Patrick Henry was once an infidel, &c. His widow and some of his descendants are residing in this county, and I am authorized by one of them to say that the anecdote related isOur Founding Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01072993191810565535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-82136530045398188222009-08-21T13:15:27.296-07:002009-08-21T13:15:27.296-07:00RH Lee (great uncle of RE Lee) was educated in Eng...RH Lee (great uncle of RE Lee) was educated in England , and aligned with the Whigs. He was consistently anti-monarchical (as most whigs were, following their mentor Locke). <br /><br />http://colonialhall.com/leerh/leerh.php <br /><br />I don't doubt Lee attended church, but the bios don't really stress his religious aspects--he sounds like one of the democratic anti-Federalists, with Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11567400697675996283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-91702232706879577042009-08-21T12:17:47.903-07:002009-08-21T12:17:47.903-07:00Here's the second volume of Meade's Church...Here's the second volume of Meade's Churches. <br />http://books.google.com/books?id=RTQSAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA449&dq=bishop+meade+old+churches+volume+2#v=onepage&q=richard%20henry%20lee&f=false<br /><br />Going through this work will take a bit.Our Founding Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01072993191810565535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-38622636255723679732009-08-21T11:56:21.464-07:002009-08-21T11:56:21.464-07:00Here is the link to Bishop Meade's recollectio...Here is the link to Bishop Meade's recollections of the Church in Virginia.<br />http://books.google.com/books?id=jEoOAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA13&dq=bishop+meade+old+churches#v=onepage&q=bishop%20meade%20old%20churches&f=false<br /><br />Meade is an excellent source for understanding the condition of the Church in the Colonial period. Many of the Church leaders, predominantly monarchist Our Founding Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01072993191810565535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-78755112458405911802009-08-21T11:23:39.169-07:002009-08-21T11:23:39.169-07:00I'm working on a post about Calvin and the fra...I'm working on a post about Calvin and the framers. You may be surprised the influence Calvin had on the framers, especially with human depravity, separation of powers, etc.<br /><br />The main support behind the Christian Nation Thesis is the State Constitutions, the rest is window dressing.<br /><br />Read Bishop Meade on RHLee. Lee was Orthodox as anyone.Our Founding Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01072993191810565535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-89654831162259072952009-08-21T11:01:08.821-07:002009-08-21T11:01:08.821-07:00Interesting.
At times the AC gang seems a bit Obj...Interesting.<br /><br />At times the AC gang seems a bit Objectivist-like, as in.....The church of Ayn Rand--sort of Aristotle-xtra lite. Existence exists! <br /><br />I'm not real big on Lit., but Ezra Pound had studied the American revolution in some depth and penned some interesting (and germane) things about the Framers. He acknowledges the role of the Puritans, but also claims that Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11567400697675996283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-5932054934713427772009-08-21T07:59:28.854-07:002009-08-21T07:59:28.854-07:00J,
Most of AC are not Christians; Jon Rowe is not...J,<br /><br />Most of AC are not Christians; Jon Rowe is not a Christian. Why TVD defends the LDS you'll have to ask him. <br /><br />It appears TVD could care less about the testimony of Joseph Smith's mom and dad.Our Founding Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01072993191810565535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730381796968566097.post-41794498728605453942009-08-20T15:57:50.967-07:002009-08-20T15:57:50.967-07:00Perhaps, but I find it amusing that my comments do...Perhaps, but I find it amusing that my comments don't appear for hours (and one or two didn't appear at all). <br /><br />And Mr Von Dyke, apart from his noisy posts, sounds rather supportive of the LDS (if not a Mormon himself). Whatever, but as Christians, aren't you expected to value truth-telling? (or transparency as they say). That is, except for "dispensationalists" Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11567400697675996283noreply@blogger.com